How people online in Taiwan and its neighbours talk about a birth rate near 0.5

In the old days everyone was poor, but prices were also low, and since everyone in society was in the same boat there was less sense of relative deprivation.

I don't care how other people live Life is already so painful Why add difficulty for myself

My family is financially fine, with 2 owner-occupied homes + 1 rental and we still only dare to have one What I want isn't those meager subsidies but protection across the whole society (e.g. transport, bullying, abuse, etc.) Until that's fixed I won't have a second A "strike" that ends up at 0.87 is truly ironic

Having this child would turn love into resentment So let the curse stop with this generation!

But I'm curious why it's only us who have it the worst in the whole world.

To take even this away from us... what's going on in Taiwan?

We got some breathing room thanks to Jaemtong, but over there it's truly hopeless, so maybe that's why..?

Taiwan's national competitiveness? They say even our country has overtaken it, but individuals were literally at sewer level, so I thought it was odd.. I don't think it came suddenly

Compared with Korea, average annual pay is lower but prices aren't much different.

The "2-jjik" astroturfing crowd kept saying Korea is a more ruined country than Taiwan, so life must really be hard over there too

Wow... they beat us even at this? ㄷㄷㄷㄷ

Hell Joseon vs Ghost Island,,, Ghost Island is stronger.

A Chinese shell nicely mixed with Japanese slyness

If this place is just left alone, China could eventually just walk right in ㅠㅠ

It's an island, so let's say they go by boat

I hear Korea's birth rate hit bottom and turned to recovery.. still not enough, but fortunate at least.

Taiwan's real estate problem is said to be even worse than ours. We need to respond quickly too.

They're bound to be absorbed by a communist state someday, so what hope is there?

I wonder whether fear of war also played a part in the low births.

Some of the comments are strange, haha We were the overwhelming last place for years and only flipped it this year, yet they talk as if Taiwan is some uninhabitable place and as if we suddenly solved the problem in one year... Not an attitude of 'same boat, shared pain, a lesson to learn from'.

I've been feeling something odd about the comments lately too. Seeing the comments up there about China and Japan get so many upvotes, I wonder whether Damoang is being worked over into some irrational community.

We always have to stay awake. Three years ago we couldn't even have imagined Clien ending up in the state it's in now.

Wow~~ impressive!

My wife asked me the same question, and my answer was

If it weren't you, no!

Me: yes.. Wife: yes

We've asked each other and neither of us would regret it +1

I'd have kids, but would consider just one

Of course I would. Material things are just that, you go numb to them quickly

Fine scenery and food really are just like that

Kids yes, marriage not necessary.

Marriage eventually turns into a duty. Honestly I'd only want the kids

I'd marry, but not have kids

Of course I would. If you marry a good wife, of course you have kids

Someone's acting XDDDDDDD

The answer to this question depends on the other half!

Yes, I should have married earlier

You seem to have left out a character: it should be 生娃"兒". If you're going to copy the other side of the Strait, don't do it halfway

I'd have kids; the experience of raising kids is very painful and also wonderful. Marriage, probably not,

Life has no hope at all!!!!!!

Yes. You only live once, of course

生娃 is a mainland-Chinese term, reported.

生娃 is Chinese-mainland usage, reported

Why report it?

This question depends on the teammate

Yes! Never had regrets

A child's health is also a factor; if the family has a special-

needs child or the support isn't enough, that will also greatly affect willingness

Trash post. Given another chance you should first buy a house and TSMC stock, that's the right answer

Going against the wind a bit: no. I feel the kids are the punishment

for making this decision.

Every time I take them out to play and see their happy, laughing faces, all I

feel is that my life is being worn away accompanying my kids.

Yes. In fact even with kids, the other enjoyments in life aren't affected

And besides your parents, a child is the person most likely to love you unconditionally

Doesn't affect the pleasures you had before marriage, and life is actually fuller and more fulfilling +1

No need to marry, having kids is worth considering

Yes! Same reasons as yours!

Proves that a lot of people aren't happy after marriage...

Is the person saying 生娃 is mainland slang trolling? I don't get it @@'

Honestly, sometimes when I'm running myself ragged looking after the kid, so irritated I can't stand it,

I've had doubts too.

But when I think back on my life before marriage, it seems it was just "like

that"

My wife and I have never regretted it; both marrying and having kids were

Will I sometimes feel irritated? Yes. Do I sometimes think life might be better

single? Yes, I do

But seeing the home my wife and I built together, working together to get things done and get through

hardships, seeing a child who blends the strengths and flaws of both of us, who, though deserving of a scolding,

is full of hope; regret? Doesn't exist.

Material satisfaction gets boring after a while, but kids give you a different puzzle every day, and I

love bickering with my daughter, that feeling of mental satisfaction of "ah, so there's this way of thinking too",

for someone like me who likes using my brain, I really like it, and can

Short-sighted policies Traffic full of malice Not having kids is the right call

How have these 10 years been for you? Can you afford a home? Can you afford a car? Have wages gone up? Have prices gone up?

Protest? The party doesn't feel a thing; as long as some people still vote for the party, that's enough.

Because Taiwan still treats having children and life development as an individual's burden The attitude of the whole society is: if you want to have kids, you bear the vast majority of the responsibility yourself

I'm doing quite well and also don't want kids I just don't want to deal with traditional values

My classmates are all having kids in the US, UK, Japan and elsewhere, some having up to four As for those in Taiwan, fewer, because pay, housing prices and the environment aren't very suited to raising children

Actually I think it's not just Taiwanese women In this environment Taiwanese men wouldn't want to have kids either

I think the workplace environment is also unfriendly

Actually, the fertility rate among married women isn't too low The problem is the rise in the single population (men and women alike)

Working hours too long Working hours too long Working hours too long

People's GDP went up... People are comfortable now, women especially. Not having kids and living alone is the trend...

In Taiwan too, house prices are high relative to wages and wages are low, so polarization is very severe The Taiwanese government and companies deliberately suppress wage growth to stay price-competitive, so wages are lower than in Korea and young Taiwanese give up on marriage and children

Korea is at its peak right now, and once low birth rates hit the economy it is certain to decline further. And since the US balances its allies against each other to some degree, a future where Korea alone keeps doing well is impossible.

China can just wait and it'll be unified

We're the world's leader in low birth rates; other countries will all follow

The ratio is that, but the real numbers are incomparable, China

Taiwan is Southeast Asia!! And the reason Taiwan has low births is decisively that incomes are low while house prices are insanely high, so living in big cities is hard.. Neither the DPP nor the KMT has any will or idea to develop land for housing..

How is Taiwan Southeast Asia? It's plainly Northeast Asian in culture, race and location.

0.7 is already astonishing, but I've honestly never heard of 0.4 ㄷㄷㄷ

We also give lots of child allowances, so it's rising Money was the problem

Korean dramas probably played a part. China blames Korean dramas a lot for low birth rates, and Taiwan is one of the countries that watches Korean dramas the most in the world The influence is probably real

Korean women writers have raised Korean women's standards to a damn Andromeda-level height far above their own station. haha

"Vietnamese mothers are Korean patriots"... the high-fertility neighborhoods turned out to be multicultural ones […] Korea has lots of international marriages and the immigrant women seem to have lots of kids too

Lots of people curse international marriages, but international marriages have a big effect on why Korea's fertility rate isn't falling further and is rebounding

It's the fault of the Democratic Party and Moon Jae-ang — patriotic conservative

I live in Taiwan, and house prices and living costs are higher than Korea's while wages are very low. Life is tougher than in Korea. That's why the fertility rate is falling, I guess

Upvote

The whole environment is unfriendly: housing, child-rearing, finances, all of it. Empathy is something

you only understand once you've been through it, so non-parents and parents end up

hostile to each other

Household registration and school enrollment aren't friendly either

A pile of anti-child posts, and when you eat out you get all these "caring" looks, and from time to time they want

your kid to shut up immediately and watch a screen.

I think we should favor the people who are able to have kids XD

It takes a whole village to have one, and a whole city to have three

Upvote, props to you for being willing to have kids now

Even three, truly admirable!

Childcare allowance, early intervention subsidy, truly a drop in the bucket, pathetically little

Many friends, seeing that I ended up with a special-needs child, got scared and won't dare have kids

Lots of therapists also tell me privately

They've seen too many special-needs kids and know it can't be caught early through prenatal checkups

The therapists themselves don't dare to have kids

Parents willing to have a second child or more, I admire every one of you!

It's no longer like my mom's era

when three or four kids or more was the norm

My eldest's autism has been worrying me for six years now QQ

Having a small child and then hitting the pandemic was truly miserable

We could only stay locked at home

Some kids who needed early intervention were forced out of classes back then

and missed the golden treatment window before age 6

Now they're in elementary school

and still in ongoing therapy

but you can see the results aren't great

Their parents sigh about it too; back then they were so anxious to start early intervention

and in the end the pandemic delayed their children

OP, you've worked hard. My child also has Asperger's/autism

Parents of special-ed kids are truly worn out in heart; it takes a lot of effort and time on the child

and we also have to adjust our own parenting style and emotions

Every time I see my child's classmates who are typical kids

I feel mixed emotions and also envy. Sigh...

I think, our family isn't very wealthy either

Can't the government give a bit more in subsidies?

Seeing my child's typical classmates

when a kindergarten-prep (final-year) bopomofo bridging class opens

it fills up instantly, with people scrambling to get in

I can only comfort myself: as long as my child is emotionally stable

even if his level is lower, we take it slowly

Seeing other parents who care a lot about homework and have their kids learn piano

who can require their child to learn bopomofo, reading and writing sentences with no problem

mine even has trouble forming compound words

I can't help but waver

but a slow-developing special-needs kid can only go slowly

keep practicing the basics: attention, emotional stability, social skills

Sometimes you can't help envying others

I think a society that's unfriendly to child-rearing is a truly frightening phenomenon; the

fewer kids there are, the less used to and familiar with kids people are, and so they hate kids even more

It's a small island and mountainous too; 23 million people in that little space is crowded to begin with. East Asia has somewhat too many people in general.

Taiwan's plains cover 10,000 square km, about a third of the total area.

The Northeast's three provinces and Jiangsu never expected they weren't alone.

I can't figure out why it dropped to 0.695. Last year Taiwan's births shrank 20%, the year before the fertility rate was 0.885, so even with the number of women of childbearing age unchanged the rate would be 0.708; considering that the number of childbearing-age women also shrank last year, the rate should be higher than 0.708.

Bring in more mainland migrants to ease the mainland's employment pressure.

Impossible. Importing people of the same kind would directly substitute for locals in reverse and take mid-to-high-end jobs; only importing a different race lets the labor force fill only the sectors that lack workers.

Mainlanders can't go to Taiwan.

Shanghai had 107,000 births in 2025, about the same as Taiwan (six of one, half a dozen of the other).

They themselves don't care. Although the news says every day that fertility is low, they can't even be bothered to calculate; they're still using the 0.8 from a few years ago. Young people generally say the number one factor is housing prices, and in East Asia the number one constraint on fertility is absolutely the housing problem,

Japan is an exception: incomes are too low and the prices of basic necessities have soared, so even with housing prices on the floor few people buy.

No worries, housing prices are still rising.

Ukraine's births in January–March 2026 were 36,561, down 16.23% from the same period last year.

Chinese people worldwide really need to start saving themselves.

Isn't lowering the fertility rate itself a way of saving oneself?

There's AI spawning loads of them anyway, fuck.

It's just the Han who have low fertility; indigenous people and Indonesian migrant workers can carry on Taiwan's national destiny. MAGA, Make Austronesian Great Again.

Hong Kong actually lost.

I used to think it was caused by the Han cultural sphere; now I think the birth rate is inversely proportional to how prevalent "female-fist-ism" is.

Taiwan really is the most advanced place in the whole class.

No need to keep cursing out Hong Kong all the time, it's Japan and Korea's turn now.

GDP is too high, too busy laundering money to have sex.

Taiwanese girls, keep throwing your "female fists". China says: do nothing, win.

Has to compete with Korea over everything, even the birth rate.

You're always saying AI leaves people with no jobs, so now they just don't have kids, what's the problem?

Fucking hilarious. Marrying a Taiwanese man means also looking after his parents, and at New Year serving the four elders plus ancestor rites and cooking a huge feast. It's basically hiring a labourer (the so-called wife). And they still ask why Taiwanese women won't marry.

If you don't know why Taiwanese women won't marry, then shut the fuck up, don't pretend to speak for them. My Taiwanese friend says workplaces discriminate against pregnant women and find ways to push them out. Who dares to have a baby?

The low-quality Taiwanese guys earn little and can't find a wife to marry; the high-quality ones play around with women and don't marry; the middle group would rather date and cohabit without marrying. Loads of Taiwanese guys in their thirties and forties still aren't married, let alone having kids.

You understand it once you grow up; women don't dare say it, but for men marriage has no benefits at all.

Japan's population has been falling for a couple of decades and it's still doing fine: stock market at a record high, GDP per capita (PPP) at a record high. A falling population basically has no impact.

Macau has a lot of mainlanders, so it may not be too low.

Men and women have both woken up: they'd rather stay single than compromise, and even if they marry they won't breed slaves. A good thing.

Good, laugh away

Korea doesn't have old feminist aunties

Just admit it honestly, there's no rebutting it

Who wants to have kids? The men can't afford to support the women

That's actually a lot like Thailand: men and women alike love Koreans

Taiwanese women have gold-plated wombs; worthless Taiwanese men can't touch them

Oppa deals with disobedient women by just slapping them down

Just admit it honestly, a low birth rate is the trend in advanced countries, duh

Except for the '89 kids, ordinary people now who have kids are giving them a completely elite education

Can't rebut these Korean dogs, thanks to that beast Lai Gong-de

You have to call him Louis Capet, Louis XVI

The idiot who says this: economically backward, between Hong Kong and Thailand

We're taking the refined, premium route, and from now on these frequent

AI-using descendants will work alongside robots

Between Hong Kong and Thailand, isn't that obvious?

South Korea is no better itself, lmao

I thought it was worse than Thailand

Bluebird: we have democracy!

That's being polite~ I think it's between Mexico and Haiti

Same difference? Korea's decline has already stopped = =

The opposition parties cut the budget

Taiwan island will have nobody in 100 years XD

Because of the DPP

Because Taiwan has the DPP

Article one of the DPP platform: show some concern for the low-end population, you lot

A backward country without all-you-can-eat migrant workers has no right to talk about us

Taiwan is still pretty much under martial law, so being dissed serves us right

10 years in power?

Korea doesn't have the DPP

If any Korean doesn't look down on us, it just means that

Korean is well brought up. That's all.

Korea's decline stopped and rebounded a year or two ago. Frogs in a well should occasionally

stick their heads out and look around

Idiot, the range between Thailand and Hong Kong is fucking huge

Facts

"The country is rich but the people are not"

Lost to Hong Kong. Dunno about Macau

Thanks to ten years of DPP rule, the plan to ruin Taiwan and destroy the country is a great success

The DPP wants to turn all of Taiwan into Tainan

The country is rich? The green friends are rich, haha

Just facts

Let the DPP rule Korea and Korea would perish within a year.

It's just luck that Korea has no DPP, so what's there to be arrogant about?

Korea totally kicks our ass

Korea's stock market has just been doing well lately and they're starting to swagger XDD

Koreans really don't take Taiwan seriously at all

Korea's economy has been overtaken, so they traded birth rate for economy

Don't listen to the self-aggrandizing bullshit of those YouTubers, okay

Honestly Taiwanese aren't thin-skinned, we don't get angry when we're told off

Haha, luckily the one downstairs is a Hua-guo person

Three kids, NT$15,000 a month? That's enough to buy a house

Great. For families with kids aged 0-18, NT$5,000/10,000 a month really is a nice little

blessing

And it's very likely that in a few years they'll raise it again to 8,000/16,000

Taxpayers' money spent like this, and few babies come out. Better to bring in more foreign workers to boost competitiveness,

more output, and lower personnel costs when they join the company, which would be much more

helpful for Taiwan

I support it.... Although the government will go bankrupt, without pushing hard there

would be little effect.

There should be differentiated benefits: parents versus people who don't marry or have kids. At least the government's direction

is right

I think this policy is great

Cram schools, talent classes raise prices by 2,000. Net monthly gain is zero

Upvoting the first floor. Then it should follow the 1956-65 generation's era: have ten kids, NT$50,000 a month

Although I hate the Lai straw-bag idiot, if Taiwan doesn't scatter loads of money now,

it simply can't save the low birth rate

Taiwan's economic miracle was created by the hardworking Hokkien and Hakka groups who cleared the land and worked hard.

Today's empty-empties just lie flat waiting for Ko Wen-je to hand them women and a house. What output can that

create? Complaining about output? Output of revolution by mouth? Output of killing the landlords?

Descendants fill the hall, the more you have, the more you earn

Make kids great again

NT$5,000 helps a family with children a little

Why are the Bluebirds having a meltdown?

Housing points?

A good policy with no downside. If it really doesn't work and nobody has kids, nothing's wasted either; whoever has

kids gets the subsidy

A low birth rate means the country is progressing. It means the nation's material life is plentiful enough that people's

dopamine pathways fire and they get addicted, wanting more and more until

death. What is there to save? Natural death and replacement by a new batch of blood is the way.

Support the government's good policy

Now the low-birth-rate crowd will cry themselves to death again, saying a low birth rate would crash house prices. With this

subsidy, per-capita income will skyrocket

It will surge even more than the New Youth Housing Loan did

To serve the country by producing babies, house prices should surge now, right?

You're talking nonsense

By then house prices will surge, and someone's definitely going to melt down again

With a low birth rate, in 20 years there will be no pool of conscripts

Although the low birth rate is beyond saving,

but

if there's money to take, take it, hahahaha

In elementary school, a class has only 8 students left

NT$5,000 about covers the building management fee, might as well have kids

Those with three kids get their mortgage directly subsidized, the empty-empties melt down; import foreign workers and rent the house to them,

the landlord makes a killing, the empty-empties melt down, the empty-empties are doomed whichever way

Taiwan's low birth rate is very serious; without throwing money at it, it simply can't be saved

Great, leave the money saved from the pension reform to the future masters of Taiwan!

Pity the bill to raise police and firefighter pay was blocked by the Executive Yuan, otherwise this group would be stable too

Home buying is a rigid need

Lai Ching-te's policy is very tangible, and it goes all the way to 18, great

The empty-empties never benefit either way, fine, I guess I'll go buy 0050 odd lots

Just say we struck oil

It's lying to you, haven't you seen through that yet?

Hardship must never fall on the bosses, poverty must never fall on the green friends

The president already said it's absolutely not a problem

Doesn't matter. Shout it first, and if it isn't delivered, use it as a weapon

The wool comes off the sheep's own back

If it can't be delivered, blame the KMT-TPP blockade. Grabbing political credit with empty hands

That simple

Anyway the KMT-TPP will block it

Tax revenue, what else?

From your own pocket

Since when was tax revenue not enough?

Traffic tickets! Otherwise where would they conjure it from

Splash out for 2 years, and when the money runs out blame the KMT-TPP

Luckily they cut 800 billion first, so now the government has money

You

Tax money from Taiwan G paid out monthly would still leave some over

1.25 trillion, no discounts

Keep attacking the military, civil servants and teachers and there'll be money

Paying out over eighteen years adds up to 1.25 trillion

Tax revenue

The DPP has been scamming until it can't afford toilet paper, so of course it scams

Stop buying weapons

Just take the 1.25 trillion and hand it out; nothing would get delivered anyway

Come here

Since there's so much money, let's pay out another 10,000 this year

What about the million-dollar social housing?

Trying to smuggle in social housing through leasing-and-management schemes

Anyway it will never come out of politicians' pockets

All of you

Stop giving to the trash US congresspeople and Taiwan will have money

All of you, May tax payments come right on time to hand it out

At least the green friends won't be paying....

Throw down a trap card, and next year they can again spread rumors that the KMT-TPP blocked the subsidy

again

Anyway if it can't be sustained it'll just stop, same as the military, civil servant and teacher

retirement benefits.

If it can't be sustained it just stops, so why worry?

Spend 500 billion to set up a 0-to-18 Pay-5000 Office

If the KMT-TPP double the subsidy budget, and Premier Cho

refuses to countersign or implement it, whose fault is that?

Revenue overshoots by several hundred billion every year

Schrödinger's money, in a superposition of existing and not existing

When you observe it at election time it exists, when you observe it outside election time it

doesn't

Anyway it's not his money, so it makes no difference how many checks he writes

Collect it from those who haven't had kids

A monthly childless tax of 5000 is pretty cheap, no?

How come there was no such problem when you got 10,000 last year?

Big money-splashing

Still 6,000, that's too many

40% say they love Taiwan the most, so why not have more kids?

1,500 fewer than last year, not bad

Still not low enough

Why worry~ tell me when it hits 600

Call me at 0

Twelve years of disaster, you chose it yourselves

Feels great. The worse off Taiwan gets, the happier I somehow get? Bluebirds

You think so too, right? cccc

Perish

Whatever, if it's gone it's gone

Are the Bluebirds going to force a link to GDP hitting a record again? cccc

c

Rather than worry about this all day, think about how to get through the rest of your life

Taiwan is a child-hating society, why would it want so many kids?

Rich people can emigrate off the island; the leeks can only stay and wait to die

Filthy-beast DPP, the great destruction of Taiwan is a great success, bravo

There's no hope anyway, so this is fine too

Taiwan is most comfortable at around 15 million people, just the growing pains

and then it'll be fine

The DPP is basically helping the CCP uproot Taiwan completely

Future 15 million? Haha, and you still want to resist China and defend Taiwan, LOL

Still too many

From now on it'll all be Indians and Vietnamese. Thanks for your attention

Just cold numbers, who cares

Notify me at 5,000

Economy booming, island about to have nobody on it, truly impressive

40% keep bragging about how great Taiwan is, so why not have a few more?

Everyone gets into a national university

I see the pseudo-Zhongli deep-green elders around me cursing even the birth rate

The KMT's poisonous legacy. Now you know it's hopeless, sigh

About 8,000 fewer than January through May last year

Still too many XDDDD

It really is a 90,000 defense battle now

Don't worry, just import Indian foreign workers and growth is guaranteed!

And how much do these 6,832 foreign-spouse births contribute?

This is progressive values. 'Progressive' is right there in the party name

He seems to have heard on the radio that Lien Chan said back then there was no need to have too many kids

GDP at a record high, fertility rate at a record low. Bluebirds and bears, you're not having kids?

Do you really have to force a birth and 'trust to luck'? Right now not

only the living-people senior comes after your life, there's also AI, Muslims and

Fate decides, you reap what you sow

Indians are scheming to smash your descendants' rice bowls, got it?

But I can't find any record that Lien Chan really said anything like this back then

Defend-90K defense battle

Taiwanese chose this themselves

?

The other day I even saw someone saying the low birth rate is fake news

It'll probably stabilize once it falls to about 4,600-4,800

You can't wake someone who's pretending to sleep

1. Because you can bash the dop

Because it can be used to mock the D*P

The time just hasn't come, so you don't feel it. For me the impact is huge

Because Taiwanese women deserve to be scolded

The future

Same reason you feel the way you do about DEI

Because you can bash it

Old people can only blame heaven and earth?

2. Gossiping is the opposite of everything

An old people's community; what they care about is different from what young people care about

3. Gossiping can scold anything it runs into, a dumping ground for negative energy

There's nothing right now to bash the DPP with, so they reheat old leftovers

Because Gossiping's fat losers think some hot girl will be willing to fight

Isn't this something normal people care about?

the low birth rate by mating with them, and in the end there's nobody at all, hehe

You should ask why nobody discusses livelihood issues but everyone spends all day on military

procurement, right?

Normal people only care about living comfortably themselves, right?

Even the diehards of Nuan City know about the low birth rate

The Ukraine counteroffensive thing, PTT users were going absolutely overboard on that too

Why is the DPP so obsessed with reducing the population?

The quality of life that the low birth rate will affect...

Only people with money and free time care about anything else

Upstairs surely doesn't think you'll be doing fine with a low birth rate, www

Every industry is short of workers now, and this is only the beginning

Otherwise who's going to take over the bag when I'm old?

Monitoring the government is perfectly normal. Only running dogs and animals

take pride in licking the government's asshole

Correct. Just labor and health insurance alone, with a low birth rate you're gg

Just think about who's going to pay the country's taxes in the future

No young people, so where does the tax come from.........

Not caring about your own country's survival is what really makes someone a foreign hostile force

Just a bunch of astroturfers. Taiwan's happiness index is 26th in the world, you know

And there's still the big pit of labor insurance waiting

Same as going from anti-nuclear to pro-nuclear. The party is just so funny

Middle-aged and older people fear nobody will pay into labor insurance and their pensions will be cut

Right now it's propped up by annual top-up transfers

Low Birth Rate Office, hehe

The post-2000s generation is already shaking up the workplace, haven't you noticed

Gossiping users are all lonely old men, and deranged too, constantly telling people to have kids

Saving for your own retirement is the consensus now

When the time comes it's the same: no young people paying tax, so where will you get the top-up transfers?

So nowhere else is mocking the low birth rate at all?!

Right now in Taipei and New Taipei there are loads of elderly convenience-store clerks

So the neighboring stock board has already overtaken Gossiping

Only the uncles here are left worrying all day about young people not having kids

Can't even get by, so who cares about the low birth rate

On other forums young people simply don't care at all

Hardly anyone has confidence in the future of labor and health insurance

They've already lain flat, lol

My feeling is different. You can't see kids on the bus anymore

14 million scooters

You only really feel it in the countryside

When I go out, I see mostly old people

People are all concentrating in the cities

It used to be all young people, hot girls everywhere

I used to be hard from the moment I left home until I got back; now it's all soft

Taiwan is fucking crowded as hell

The missing people have all been filled in by Vietnamese and Indonesians

It's only 300,000, how noticeable do you want that to be

That's why you don't feel like there are fewer people in Taiwan

Because there are 1 million foreign workers!!!!

Well, plenty of people love cramming into northern urban areas, and they keep pushing land rezoning projects like crazy

The people who are missing are all replaced with migrant workers

Right, because foreign workers aren't counted in the population

Population fell from 23.60 million to 23.25 million; add 1 million foreign workers = 24.25 million

Because 1. you live in a city 2. you're a corporate slave

Do you know how many fewer girls there are on the street?

Because you're in the city

800,000 legal, 100,000 illegal

Go to the rural areas in central and southern Taiwan. It's full of people speaking languages you can't understand

More than ten universities have already closed

More and more cars on the road, so annoying

There are also 100,000 international students

Didn't Japan already put on a show for you?

Because of the million-strong army of migrant workers

At Lunar New Year reunion dinners, only a few tables have kids, and most only

have 1 or 2.

Japan's population is 6 times Taiwan's and it has only 2 million foreign workers

How many foreign workers are there already, just counting them

There are a million migrant workers

Taiwan now has 100,000 births and 200,000 deaths a year, so

the population is shrinking at a rate of 100,000 a year

You'd only feel it at schools or in baby and child-related industries

Threads has 90 million people

This cohort still needs at least fifteen years to reach adulthood

More and more foreign workers, and tons of foreign students among university students too

The DPP brought in 100,000 Indians, and 100,000 absconded and are running around by the million

Your sense of it is off

If you were a teacher you'd know

Zero-threshold foreign workers, all you can eat

Because you're numb

If there's an elementary school near your home, you can feel it quite clearly

Poor little island of Taiwan, stuffed with 23 million people

Take a trip to rural southern Changhua, lots of villages have died out

Hospitals are cutting open wards (no nurses), ER has long queues

Labor shortage, filled in by foreign migrant workers

Seconding the above, hospitals feel it the most

Go look at how many classes the schools have

Go to the schools and cram schools and you'll feel it. Hardly any students

Are the 90 million people glad to see it?

Otherwise, are you going to have kids?

How many are you having?

Enough already

Don't you think Taiwan is crowded?

The government isn't worried, so why are you worrying a damn bit

Lying flat is bliss

Because Taiwan is hell. Give birth to have them suffer?

Produce slaves to work for capitalists?

Not glad about it, but nothing can be done

Me

Glad. What's wrong with that?

National security my ass. Replacing Taiwanese workers with foreign workers is more useful and cheaper

What I fear is the aging society...

People at the bottom step on each other

Chinese people are glad to see it. They're waiting for you to die out on your island

Old people living off tax money, that's what the government worries about

Pulling down the KMT was supposed to bring reform, but the Green-Commies broke their promise

We have AI and Vietnamese people, no fear

Not glad, it's a helpless laugh

Taiwan's house price-to-income ratio is the second highest in the world

Otherwise why does the party platform make the low birth rate its goal?

Seeing kids irritates me for no reason

I'm not happy about it. I want to have 5

Because this board is full of Chinamen, whose brains only think about how to invade

With a low birth rate the job market tilts toward labor. What's wrong with that?

Taiwan.

Otherwise how would China take over Taiwan easily?

Taiwanese are shallow. They feel nothing until it actually happens. Especially the Greens

Bluebirds aren't worried, so why should we be a damn bit

I'm only president for eight years; what comes after is not my business

Losers with no wife or kids, a worthless life, living for the moment and having fun while they can

Happy.

There are simply too many people now and you're worrying for nothing, okay

Go look at the DPP platform, will you?

I fear it's just that you're the only one not having kids

Just can't be bothered arguing about this with people who have no power and no good ideas

Worried about a Chinese invasion? Look around you, they're all Vietnamese

Vietnamized first, then

It's the government's fault, so what's it got to do with ordinary people? You've got cause and effect backwards

At least 40% are glad, I'd say. That's a lot

Watch less Gossiping

Does the government care? If the government doesn't care, why should I

Basically it has nothing to do with me, and besides, national security crises aren't in short supply

It's not gladness, it's that it hasn't started making Taiwanese people feel

DPP platform achieved, how could we not be happy?

anything yet, has it? == Basically all of Taiwan is so rotten that it makes

Inconvenient. Taiwanese just have to wait until their asses are on fire

people not want to care anymore

before they realize how serious things are

The eyes of the masses are sharp When the downsides of having kids outweigh the upsides, people won't have them. Otherwise they will. It's that simple.

Lots of people also don't have kids because they have no money

Fine by me, I think Taiwan has too many people

Housing prices don't fall, incomes don't rise, why the fuck would anyone have kids?

The only normal industry in all of Taiwan is propped up by TSMC alone, almost every other field is rotting. So what's the point of having kids, to have kids for TSMC?

In the past, having a child meant he'd take care of you in your later years, so people gritted their teeth and had kids. Now having a child means you're responsible for his entire life, so of course it needs careful thought.

Capitalists: I'm only shouting about the low birth rate so I can bring in foreign workers

Loosening is how they're saving it, duh

It was beyond saving long ago. Anyway, they grab whatever they can; you're on your own

The DPP is still in power. It has been helping the CCP destroy Taiwan the whole time, haven't you

Help yourself

noticed? They've turned everything into hell, they want to uproot Taiwan

There's an idiom: devour everything and wipe the plate clean

The party platform literally says it wants to reduce the population

Actually, it's just the losers who've been dumped. Pity them, QQ

Every developed country in the world has a low birth rate, even the Nordics

have low birth rates. If you're so awesome, why not go save it? You'd guarantee yourself a Nobel

Prize. The people ranting all day about [車] holidays are not really the ones who need to buy homes

, they just use house-buying as an excuse for how their lives didn't work out

Okay okay, Taiwan's low birth rate is number one in the world, well done

By that commenter's logic, Taiwan should be surpassing Britain and America

and be the number one developed country in the world!

This is just the DPP platform...

Here to whitewash, no need to say much

The halving of the marriage rate is the real cause

Back in the Ma Ying-jeou era, there was a bunch of idiots blaming him for the low birth rate. That

bunch must be CCP fellow travelers who drag Taiwan down and don't want Taiwan to become a developed

country.

With AI there's no need to produce more humans anyway

Beyond saving. Pushing.

Let them do whatever, anyway I've moved my extra money abroad ==

What do you think the point of New Tide $$$$$$$$$ is?

Do you think New Tide $$$$$$$$$ cares??

Save it? I'm dying of laughter. How? The time when it could be saved has passed. Shouting now

'Saving' is always a scam, what are you expecting

Is saving kids more important than saving the wallets of corrupt officials?

Pitiful. This is what you get for letting a monkey-trash party govern

The DPP wants to slowly destroy Taiwan, it's written in black and white

right in front of you

The DPP only wants to embezzle money

The low birth rate stays number one

If they saved it, how would they speed up unification?

Voters have one ballot and zero power, and on top of that the low birth rate

has to be self-rescued too. How miserable

2024 is long over, what's it got to do with the DPP

The DPP's 'housing justice' isn't what you think it is

If you don't believe it, go ask Tsai Ing-wen

What's Korea doing, and what's Taiwan doing

Go read the DPP platform, they're not joking with you

Her golden grandchildren were born in America, so why would she save anything. That's the kind of selfish person she is

The Low Birth Rate Office is a great success

Min-jin-dong (Hell-Advance-Cave) Party platform: reduce the population!

Hurry up and pass the budget; even if it doesn't pass they can spend it first, no difference

Do you think they need developers' support in elections?

Save your own Taiwan yourselves. At the end of the year, try swapping in different people

Leading the world, so why save it? How would the rest of the world keep up?

Where did you get the misunderstanding that the government wants to raise the birth rate

My wife was hospitalized recently. My kid gets to school at 7:40am and gets out at 4:50pm; my boss moved the morning meeting to 7:30 online, I said "At that time I have to drive my kid to school, I can't open files while driving," he replied "Then pull over halfway and join the meeting." I replied "In Taiwan never have kids, the environment really doesn't allow it; especially when your boss knows your family is in trouble, he'll go crazy piling on and causing you problems during that time. I've changed several companies, Taiwanese-owned and foreign-owned, all the same!"

The government only says it "wants" to but doesn't actually "intend" to

The government can't possibly not know what to do. Korea took its fertility rate straight from 0.7 to above 0.9. The homework is right there for you to copy. Officials just don't want to give up flipping houses and land XD

Every country ends up like this once it becomes developed Humanity only works if it's stupid

What's the difference between countries that get low birth rates and countries that don't?

Honestly, all of East Asia is just a degraded copy of Japan They copied the Japanese model and grew, but stalled before reaching the "hundred million middle class" stage, so the social ills of the Japanese model are worse there than in Japan

South Korea and Japan are going back up, you know Taiwan just keeps falling

South Korea has now turned to a fertility recovery The reason given is that there are more women in their thirties

Tokyo is 0.97

Taiwan and South Korea both grew through developmental dictatorship, so their economic model is completely different from Japan, which grew led by the private sector

Looking at country-by-country data, you can't say developed countries always lose population If anything, more of them are growing Only Japan is shrinking abnormally, off the charts by orders of magnitude

Closing elementary and junior high schools for lack of population basically only happens in Japan School closures from low birth rates are quite rare anywhere in the world 🇯🇵 What a strange country

Well, every country has falling births, huh

Blue is the Japanese government's birth forecast Yellow is the actual number of births

They say even in the Islamic world, once women's rights improve, birth rates fall

>>15 I think it's less about women and more about whether children are a burden or a labor force

Japan 30 years ago: "Falling births are a disaster!" Japan 20 years ago: "Falling births are a disaster!" Japan 10 years ago: "Falling births are a disaster!" Japan now: "Falling births are a disaster!" Sorry, but what have you been doing for 30 years?

Childbirth and education cost a fortune, yet by simple arithmetic you need two children to hold the population steady. That's a design flaw

USA: "We'll top 400 million by 2050 😁" Japan: "We'll drop below 100 million by 2050 😭" Developed countries grow in population

Fertility rate ranking 1st 🇹🇩 Chad 5.84 2nd 🇸🇴 Somalia 5.81 3rd 🇨🇩 DR Congo 5.90 (UN medium-variant estimate) 4th 🇨🇫 Central African Republic 5.81 5th 🇳🇪 Niger 5.78 6th 🇲🇱 Mali 5.42 7th 🇦🇴 Angola 4.95 8th 🇧🇮 Burundi 4.67 9th 🇦🇫 Afghanistan 4.66 (*highest in Asia) 10th 🇲🇿 Mozambique 4.62

🇯🇵 Births fall to 670,000, a record low; the decline is running 15 years ahead of projections […] The number of Japanese children born last year was 671,236, down 14,937 from the year before.

Macau is below this, so it isn't last

>>22 Macau is just too tiny, after all Nobody cares if Kawaguchi's fertility rate is 0.6 or whatever

People today: 'Why did the city of Machu Picchu vanish?' People of the future: 'Why did the country called Japan vanish?'

Taiwan has no inheritance tax, so the rich stay rich forever

In every era the majority is treated as correct Childless people will eventually become the majority, so as a way of life it will turn out to be correct Follow me into early access, you lot

This is where "as long as I'm fine" capitalism ends up

There's nothing strange about it It isn't because policy was wrong, or because women entered society, or because the conflict between the sexes deepened When a country gets rich, births automatically fall That's true even of Islam, where the "man" have no human rights It's like saying it's weird that the sky is blue